What’s up everyone. Welcome back to a brand new episode of electronic dance money. I’m your host Christian Kasisto. We’ve got good episode. I’ve got a new guest to bring on Mike. Delassandro also known as Mike., Mike does a number of things. He also, he does help write some blogs, , for envious audio. So, , re more recently, what was the last blog that you did?

Was it the 1001 track list? One? I think it was the 1001 track that was okay with Evan Saks fifth avenue, which Evan sacks. He’s the one that created 1001 track list. He did not create it, but he’s like one of the leading marketing guys for them development guys. Gotcha. Okay. He’s been there with them from the beginning though, correct?

Yeah. Yeah. He’s been, he’s been with them for a long time. Yeah, I think 2012 or 2014. How long is 1001. Okay. But I mean, by most everyone listening to this fucking episodes probably read the title. I say this over and over again. So we’re talking about 1001 tracklist. , because it’s like, you know, it’s funny, like I know how valuable it is just by talking to you, , that article you wrote, which I’ll put that in the show notes.

I highly suggest everyone goes and checks out that article because fuck me. Is it so good? , but, and I, I still feel like 1001 w this is what, what I find interesting. 1001 track list is like still a relatively. under, under utilized, under utilized and like, no one, I don’t hear producers talking about it yet.

The biggest producers and the biggest DJs are using it. So it’s, it’s a funny thing where I feel like that’s a very rare thing where you’ve got like these huge artists that use this tool, but smaller producers have no idea about it. Yeah. And the crazy thing is, is. It’s such a forefront in the music industry and at least the dance music industry, it’s, it’s so important.

And you know, I think if when you go from being a producer who, or a DJ even going from not using 1001 track list to using 1001 track lists that that already raises your game right? The day I started using 1001 track lists my music, God incrementally. Let’s add marketing, improved everything, right? W w we’re to, we’re about to get into it.

But first, I mean, let’s get into your background a little bit, and I’d like you to just kind of like, let us know who you are, who is Mike Vaughn? How did you get into electronic dance music? When did you start producing what’s what has that journey been from? Start to finish. You’ve been working in, working in the industry as a producer, specifically, just mostly as a producer for years now.

So like, tell us about that. How did you get into music? How did you start producing and where are you currently at now? Yeah, so I’m, uh, I think I’m coming up on seven years in, in dance music and, um, I, I honestly grew up. I actually detest the dance. Yeah. I couldn’t stand it. I’m like this, this is a news.

Like, I don’t believe any of this. And, um, one year it was, it was new year’s Eve and Martin Garrix had played the new year’s Eve show and I’m like, yo, this sounds so stupid. Dope. I think he played a, in the name of love live and it was future bass. And I’m like, this is sick. This is just awesome. I may have, or may not have acquired a dog through a scandalous means, , like most producers, most producers, you started both like, yeah, you go and get FL studio and you torn it and just download it.

Fuck rank. For me, it was logic time. I tore it on my computer. I don’t even know how I have yeah. Who fucking knows. Yeah, I, some guy got on my computer. Uh, it was all, all of our deal, but, um, you know, since then, I I’ve really fallen in love with progressive house music, future house at your bounds. And just a lot of the stuff that’s kinda, you know, still big in the festival scene right now.

And, just over the last few years I’ve been working on music I’ve released on future house cloud. , and that’s probably the biggest label I’ve worked with so far. I’ve been supported by. couple big artists, , music by Lucas, Cybermen , Kubrick and Calvo Kubrick. , there’s one or two other big ones.

I can’t think of off the top of my head, but dude, that’s crazy. I had no idea you were supported by Kubrick. That’s so funny. Kubrick is fucking sick, dude. I used it when I had my own radio show back in like fuck 2015 through 2017 or. I played Kubrick all the fucking time. So it’s funny to hear, like, if I would, if I got supported by Kubrick, I’d be shitting bricks.

Like, oh my God. So that’s crazy. I had no idea. You were. The craziest thing is, is when I got supported by Kubrick light. And this is actually going to segue really perfectly into, , into a later section of the show. We have something I mentioned earlier. , I only found out because a song stats it’s really cool.

I have a lot of cool stories about a 1001 track lesson songs that so we can get into and it’s just it’s , it’s, it’s pretty awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. Let’s I mean, well, let’s get into it because we’ll see how I think this will be a decently long episode. We’ll we’ll see how it goes, but I I’ve got a lot of questions about 1001 track list because I still feel like I haven’t.

Uh, enough thorough research to the extent of my knowledge has very much come from the article that you wrote, , for envious audio, , which was a great article. It’s a great introduction. And I think this is going to be a great introduction and you get a little, the thing about the article that you’re not going to get with this podcast is you get Evan sacks insight.

Into what 1001 trackless is what they’re trying to do, what they’ve been about. So you get that like insider information from the company. So, , after you listen to this, I strongly suggest you go to the show notes behind the article there, , and go read it because it’s a fantastic read. But at the time being, let’s just the quotes from big DJs too.

Yeah. Let’s let’s go ahead and jump into what the fuck is 1001 track list. Coming from someone who doesn’t know much, , but should probably know as much as possible about it. What is the shtick with it? So basically 1001 track list. From what I understand from speaking with Evan, you know, looking into the site, working with the site for years now is it’s the most comprehensive and, , well devised user, , There’s a phrase for it.

Basically it’s a database for all the music that’s played in festivals, radio shows and all sorts of stuff like that. And it’s purely driven by the community. It’s a community driven database, chronicling all the music that’s been played by major artists and even smaller artists on their radio shows. So it’s the one of the most effective ways to show how your music has performed.

In clubs or by professionals, you know? Okay. Now here’s a quick question. I don’t know, because this gets a little deeper into kind of the technology itself. So I’m not sure if you’re going to have the answer, but it’s the way this is tracked since it’s community-based. Does that mean that, like let’s say I’m at a festival and I’m watching, I don’t know, fucking seven lions playing a set.

And I hear him. I recognize a song that he plays from another. Can I go on 1001 track list and essentially report that he played that track or is this stuff that’s like, is the database connected to like record box where it can detect, okay. They, you know, record rock sees that this artist played this track and it sends that data to 1001 track list.

So in the track list thing that I have done, , basically what you do is. , in my case, I released a couple of radio show episodes, and whenever I release a radio show episode with all my supports, I, um, I’ll upload it to mix cloud YouTube, SoundCloud, whatever. And then I will gather all the timestamps. So all the tracks that I played I’ll upload the media file to 1001 track.

And then I will upload the track list into the database. And basically it’ll separate all the tracks out and a credit one play for each of those tracks. And, basically, yeah, it’s just, it’s just, you know, all hand input stuff. , you have to have, in my case, I needed to have three individual DJ supports, three separate individual DJ supports to get credentials, to post track lists.

Um, I think there are other ways as well. There are guys who have like a hundred thousand tracks. Aidid, it’s crazy. You as an artist need to get track listed before you can start posting your own track lists, or you need to post verify track lists before. So I think there’s more than one way to go about it.

But in my instance, in my case, I needed to have my music supported multiple times before I could get verified by the 1001 tracklist team. But I think you can also do, , You can verify IDs or you can identify IDs in certain sets. And that might also get you credentialed. I can’t remember off the top of my head.

Oh, interesting. So you could go through on 1001 track lists and CID and be like, oh, I know what track this is. And essentially, and name it for the community and credit it to a producer. And then. In theory, maybe it could get you verified, but okay. I see, I see what you’re saying though, as it, so this means that like, basically now, now, how do you get, how do you, what’s the verification process on 1001 track list?

Like, do you register an account and then go on there and claim if people have, you know, basically credit credited you for someone else playing your. How do you take claim over that artist’s name? Okay. So, you know what, I, I don’t actually know that specific detail because when I did it myself, it was, it was foggy.

Right. So I had an account, I had Mike Von DJ as my account name on 1001 track list. And this was earlier where I was still trying to build radio supports or, you know, DJ supports for my music. So I had got a bunch of supports and then. You’ve reached out to the 1001 trackless team over Facebook or email or something, and then they’ll confirm or deny whether or not you’re, you’re eligible for the, , for the tracklist capability.

And they set it up and I, you know, I said, Hey you, my artist’s name is X, Y, Z. This is my account name. Um, I have this many supports and then they just unlocked it for me and then I was good to go. Gotcha. Okay. Okay. So you, it almost sounds similar like Spotify for artists where it’s like, you have to get.

Your Spotify account with your artist’s name distributor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. That makes sense. So you got to ultimately reach out to them now, can you search for your name on there if you’re not registered? Like if people have already Aidid you, so if people have a track listed your music and you’re trying to see who’s played it.

So, yeah, absolutely. All you have to do really is go on 1001 track lists and there’s just a search bar. You can search by DJs track list, sources, track, record labels, even in general. And you can just, you know, find everything you need to know. I mean, if I looked my name up right now, you’re pretty much relying on other let’s let’s say you want to, I I’m, I’m sure this is how people can see.

Okay. I’ve been supported and that’s, that’s where you, you know, people add that to like their bio on Instagram or. A support by X, Y, Z. It’s a huge deal in the industry. Honestly. No, it is. Yeah. Getting support from an like hat saying that you’ve had, you’ve been supported by specific artists. Just, it adds so much more credibility to your name.

And the crazy thing with 1001 track list is I think we said this early on is that people don’t understand the value that is presented from this. And. Like I said, going from not using it to using it just made a really big impact on my music. I’m sure it also plays a pretty big role in your motivation too, because there’s this thing with a lot of producers where like I’ve talked about in the past, I’ve talked about with you and I’ve talked about, I’ve just, I’ve talked about constantly where producers, a lot of the times they don’t feel like they’re progressing, like the, the rate of progression doesn’t feel, , , as good as they want it to.

Right? So this quantifies your progress, you have stream count, but personally, I think stream count doesn’t doesn’t do much for it because it’s so show shaky, which shouldn’t count nowadays. I mean, you can have bonded streams and I’ve seen record labels who do bonded stream. And, , it’s, it’s sketchy. It’s really sketchy, man.

Yeah. And I agree, I could see the industry going in this sort of space, or I honestly, this would probably, this is ideally, this is like the best thing to focus your energy, a fuck streams. I’ve said that to the like, and a lot of people do focus on streams, but this is something that you should probably focus more of your time on.

It, it does it, like you say it quantifies legit progress where it’s like, holy fuck. I’m supported by this many DJs. And when you see that continuous support by them, your name is constantly in front of their face. It’s constantly in front of, in their mind. And this just gives you so much more opportunity for potentially working with that artist.

Or if they have a record label, they’re going to be more interested in signing your track because the label owner is literally playing your tracks. Why wouldn’t they. Sign it. So there’s, there’s way more opportunities to be, to be found when you’re, when you see this legit success in, and I should say support from these artists.

Now I, what, what I wanted to mention before was you’re, you’re kind of relying on the fact that these bigger artists or bigger producers who you do want to be supported by are putting the. They’re there they’re set lists on 1001 track list, correct? Like they’re reporting. Okay. I’m playing this festival.

This is what my hour long set is looking like. Here are my timestamps and they’re uploading that. How many of those big artists are actually doing that? Is there quite a few or is it still like, is it still hit or miss, to be honest. I mean, yeah, there’s, it’s, it’s comprehensive. It’s a very comprehensive site.

, I mean, I’m going to go off the list of people. I know where I’ve taught my head. Mike Williams has a really huge radio show. His radio show gets Chronicle. Every episode, Martin Garrix has show every episode, Don Diablo, every episode, , is hard. Well, I’m sure hardware is on there. , but basically even, you know, when Garrix goes and plays Lollapalooza or EDC, , that’ll get Chronicle like the FA the big festival sets we’ll get Chronicle guaranteed.

, honestly, I think most festivals that’s probably do. It just depends on whether or not there’s like an easy way to track list that, you know, whether it’s a playback or, um, or live, you know? Yeah. I mean, this just also drives home how important, like radio show support, like, like producers should be. I mean, you should be fucking emailing all of your tracks to a personal promo list that you’re building, especially to artists have radio.

Because, I mean, these are that. That’s how you’re gonna, my point being why this should be such a big, bigger focus than streams is that it’s so much more difficult for, is this sourced, I mean, sorry to cut you off. This is, this is sourced music by quote unquote professionals. So it’s like, you’re looking for a watch.

You go to a guy who sources watches and he finds you the best one. Like, this is, this is from a professional’s viewpoint. This isn’t some regular guy who went on Amazon and saw a, a, a G shock watch. Like this guy’s buying you a, , like a fossil or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that’s a great analogy.

And when you think about it as an artist, when you’re promoting your music and trying to market it, it’s so fucking hard to do. It’s not easy. It’s not easy to come up with a really solid promo plan. Test it out, market your music and get the streams that you want by yourself. It’s doable. You can definitely do it, but it’s very difficult.

It’s a little bit easier to build a solid promo list. And especially if you have really good tracks, send it to the right artists and those artists support it and play it on their radio show. Sure. You might not get the actual physical stream count, but you might be getting in front. Tens of thousands, if not millions of more people than you otherwise would have, if you were just trying to promote your Spotify account and get the streams yourself.

And there, I mean, there’s, there’s been so many times I’ve listened to radio shows where I’m like, who the fuck is this artist? And I go look at the set list and I go, oh my God. And I looked that person up on Instagram or Facebook and I start following them. And immediately they, I became a fan because I heard their track on a radio show.

, it’s a lot easier to get those fans and get those people really interested in your music when their biggest, their Mo their favorite artist is supporting you. It’s way easier to get them on your side than if you’re just trying to go to, let’s say some random, you know, you’re running a Facebook ad or an Instagram ad to a random fucking person that has no idea.

I think top of funnel, right? Top of funnel, it’s hard. They have no idea who you are. They don’t give a. You’ll you’ll be able to convert some of those people, but it’s way easier when someone’s already listening to a radio show and you have a track that’s supported by their favorite artists. And it sounds similar to their favorite artist.

It’s like they’re already a warm lead and all they have to do is go to YouTube or 1001 track. I’m sure most of them aren’t, you know, most fans aren’t going to 1001 track lists, but they’re probably looking up the set list on YouTube or wherever. And they can find out who the artist is and go follow you and they’re already interested.

So the value of that support, getting that support and being able to like verify that support is just, I, there there’s so much more weight in it. , I think it also goes a long way to say, like, I think the majority of people who are arguably super fans of dance music, like if you’re a really big fan of, of dance music, you are probably using 1001 track because.

Yeah, because I think in dance music, I mean, I think it goes for show that in like rock music, if you see your favorite band live, they are in playing on release music. Most likely they’re playing their recent album or yeah. Like DJs play unreleased music all the time and it doesn’t, it. And it’s not even just regular unreleased music, they’re playing bootlegs, they’re playing mashups, they’re playing things that will never be officially released.

And people want to know what that is. And this is the place where you go to find it. Like if, , we have Brooks drop day, a mashup of a track, and I was like, wow, this is amazing. I want to, I want to find this. You go to 1001 track list. It’s a genius idea. Now how, when was 1001 track list? ’cause you said they’d been doing it.

I mean, they’ve been doing this since like 2012. Yeah. I think 2012 is, , the ballpark on that. Jesus. I can fact check that for you. I had no idea. I mean, I started that’s like around the time that I start that’s when I started producing music. So I’ve been in the industry for a decade now and I had no fucking idea that they were even a thing, but on the same token, they exploded in recent years.

They’re fucking huge too. Yeah. I mean, that’s a lot in part due to Evan Saks. I mean, he’s, he’s brilliant, you know, business wise, , him and I talked a lot of, you know, marketing and branding development and I mean, they’ve done just a really phenomenal job. And I actually, this is something really cool that I just learned as of six seconds ago.

, 1001 track lists have track lists from as early as 2001. Holy shit. The Ts though at Xtreme outdoor Netherlands, July 21st, 2001. So someone went through and was like, this is this track. This is this tread. That’s crazy. Wow. I didn’t know that, that stuff. Damn, that’s impressive. And this is all, this is all from, , what’s it called?

The fan sourcing, you know, it’s all from the community now. There’s okay. I want to get into the next part I want to get into is there’s a ranking system for producers on, on the site. Correct. Okay. What is that ranking system look like? Because this is where this is where it becomes even more like this is where you can really start to see how vitally important 1001 trackless is.

And just getting supported is because if there’s a ranking system based off of how much your being supported. This opens you up to not just more fan seeing you, but bigger and bigger producers, also seeing your name and supporting you and their own sets. And it just can cascade from there. So go into what the ranking system looks like and how they kind of how they do that ranking.

So there’s several ways that they’ll do this at the end of the year. They’ll do the 101 top producers. So basically they’ll categorize them into newcomer overall, and a bunch of other categories. And based on how many supports you get that will place you in that top 101 producers, or even top 101 tracks.

Right. , so I would say last year it was probably, um, a craze do it to it. That was probably the number one played track. And then maybe a couple of years ago it was losing it by Fisher. , just based on supports alone. So over the course of the rest of the year on the main page, 1001 track list to have top overall tracks, top newcomers, , trending tracks, most heard tracks, most saved Spotify tracks.

Basically you can just go through this out, even top newcomer tracks right now, I’m mark bale and Cuba neaten. , Or the Cuba and neaten edit is on hexagon. That’s the top newcomer track. It has 62 supports right now. Wow. It’s actually rolling really hot right now. I mean, it’s just, it’s just a crazy way to see like how fast something’s going.

And it’s crazy because I’ve had tracks that were playlisted or track lists that are supportive and like the next week. It got like six plays. And I assume it was from the one play I got before, because I hadn’t done any promo mailings since. You know, so you get one support, you get five supports, then you get 25 supports, right?

Yeah. It just multiplies from there. Yeah. That can, that can happen. That can spread like wildfire with, with you. So if you become a verified artist on 1001 track list, so you said, you know, you got supported by a few people in the ID, your track, and you could email them, give, verify they set up your account.

Does that mean that if you upload your own track list, set list or whatever. The you count as a support like you, your official V. So your, when you play someone’s track and you report that, that counts as a support for correct. And that plays a huge factor into what you talked about earlier. You know, how, , if a record labels, artists supports your track record labels, more likely to say, Hey, we know this person on the same token, , like what you do on the NBS audio, Instagram, you post the weekly tracks.

If you were verified on 1001 track lists, or if your shoe, if you had like a radio show on 1001 track list and you supported every week record labels would take notice, you’d get out of the promo list. This is, this is the official way for record labels to determine our DJs playing this track. Yeah. Yeah.

That’s a really good point. That’s a really good point. Damn. Okay. Now with the rankings, so with those rankings, are they updated weekly, monthly? , I actually, I don’t know at what rate? , they’re up there. But I’m sure there are search parameters. I would assume weekly as a good, ah, hold on. This chart displays.

How many unique DJs play at a track within the last 21 days only tracks that have been played or have been first played within the last 21 days are counted, updated hourly. Gotcha. Okay. So it’s basically like a three, three week kind of update. What’s like been the biggest thing that you’ve learned or that’s helped you out the most with 1001 track lists.

I mean, outside of obviously like knowing who supported you. Is there anything else that you recognize is just helped you out shit immensely with your music? It’s , it’s really interesting because when obviously I write music, I mean, you’ve seen my process. You’ve seen my, my pre-finished product and my finished product.

You’ve seen every step of my production. So when you find a reference track for your, your music and your, you know, referring to it, mix wise, you know, concept wise and all that, that’s a great way to utilize 1001. Plus you take your reference track, you see who supports that reference track, and you can descend all the people that have already supported that reference track.

If it’s the same like vibe and the same energy, same job. You’re one step ahead, because that means those radio shows are supporting that kind of music. So I have the future way of track that I’ve been working on, , that I’ve showed you a couple of times and, , I have a reference track. So once I’m ready to go with that track, I will look up that reference track.

I will scan through all the supports. I’ll send it to all those radio shows and open the best. Do artists have individual profiles that you can click? And is there a ranking system within artists’ profiles where you can see their most supportive tracks or like their email and that, that sort of information.

So email, I’m not sure of, but basically I just looked myself up here. , it’ll tell me my most played tracks ever total plays. So it has my most played tracks in, uh, all my collaborations, all that last track lists. My tracks in them and as well as my most recent track lists where I have. So it is that.

Can you, can you look up any artists though, and look at that info as long as, as long as they’re on the database? Yeah. That’s so crazy. And plus it has your Spotify link, your SoundCloud, your Facebook, your apple music glitter. Wow. I don’t even, I don’t even know how they have my Twitter. It was kind of scary.

I should probably deactivate. I hopefully it’s like your personal Twitter. No, it’s not. That’s, that’s anonymous. Good as it should be. , anyways. , yeah, yeah. That extensive data is really interesting because you can, I mean, finding ways, are there any other ways you’ve found that you can use that data to get, because the reference thing is so.

, to be able to take a reference track, look that up, see what radio shows and artists are supporting that. And then just emailing it to them being like this will probably get supported by them. If it’s, you know, if you’re confident in it, that’s an easy way to get support. Because again, there’s, there’s nothing that sucks more as an artist than finishing your trunk, finishing a track and be like, now, I guess I’ll send it to the, yeah, I guess I’ll send it to these artists.

I have no fucking idea. Pray. I’m praying. I’m praying instead of like strategizing. And that’s what we talked about on this show all the time. It’s like, you have to strategize your shit. If you want to be a successful producer, you, you, you can try to get lucky. It’s fucking hard getting lucky, but if you can strategize in ways like this, where you can get the extra.

And be like, okay, I’m, I’m gonna, I’m gonna look up this from track. I’ll find these artists and they’ll probably want to support it if my track is good enough. But is there anything else that you’ve been able to find that has really helped out? Cause that’s a really smart way of using that using essay that I never even thought of.

Yeah. It’s , it’s crazy because you can a similar vein to using the reference track to find radio shows. You can just search by John rhe. You can just search radio shows by John Ruh and you can search through the charts and the hot track lists and all sorts of stuff like that. And you could find who’s pulling the most, plays and, you know, in your John Ruh and progressive house feature, house drum and bass, you know, whatever.

And then you could start to work from there, you know? The promo list that you have, and you can start to categorize it and set up. And it’s just, it really is such a vital asset. I can’t stress it enough that it’s, it’s something people should be watching all the time and what’s even more brilliant is how Evan and the whole 1001 trackless team built this app called song stats.

Yeah. I wanted to write, yes. I wanted to get into songs, stats cause I, you know, fucking integrate with 1001 track lists. The reason song stats is awesome. And I have a personal anecdote that I think is really cool. And this, this should really tell people how big this is. So one of my good friends, he signed to a bunch of the record labels.

, zero. Cool. I think he signed a Kryder’s record label. He he’s, he’s done a lot of tech house, tribal house. So he messages me yesterday and this is really funny , we were going to talk about this the other day, but instead we waited until today. So now we got to get this story. So he messages me and he’s like, bro, will you believe this?

And I’m like, I only looked at the preview. I didn’t look at the picture yet. So I go in and it’s a screenshot of his song. Step, say. Though played your track? No way he got supported in October of last year. He didn’t find out until yesterday. No. Yeah. How did he find out? Because socks that set up push notification.

Cause he downloaded the app. Oh my God. So, so songs that, okay, so you, you download songs, taps song stats as an app on your phone. And then do you just log in with your like 1001 track? Account info. I think it’s, I think it’s with your Spotify, Spotify. Okay. Sorry. No, no, you link, you create your account, you link it with your profile.

Okay. But you can link it to 1001 track list. Like it’s all routed 1001 track list we’ll just know based off your Spotify. Okay. Okay. So if your Spotify gets us as a support, it’ll send it. Interesting. Okay. Damn. I don’t know how it works, but it’s a lot of data fetching and it’s impressive. Yeah. Yeah. How did he support him?

Was it in a sad, was it in a radio show? Radio show? Jesus Christ. I think his radio show is called club. Now did he not look up on like one? Was that not reported on 1001 track list? Is there a reason why he didn’t see it? Oh, no, I’m sure. I’m sure it was reported. I it’s possible that it could have been identified way later.

It’s possible that it could have identified like months later by someone else by someone else. , but I mean, 1001 track list, doesn’t notify you if you’re not checking your page. Oh, oh. So you gotta be like, Probably weekly, especially with weekly radio shows. That’s what songs that’s songs. That’ll tell you songs that will tell you if you get playlisted on Spotify.

This is how I found out that, , Kubrick supported me. I, he supported me on his Spotify playlist. , it’ll notify your Spotify, playlist, apple music. Chartings , just all sorts of stuff like you with your analytics and. It just ups the game, you know, it takes a lot of pressure off you. It does the PR it does the work of delivering you this information.

It’s like, it’s kind of like an assistant out there in the virtual space, looking at like giving you all the information that you need to know whether or not you’re getting traction by bigger artists. Right. And plots on top of that, it gives you advanced analytics on record labels, advanced analytics on artists.

So I was this, , wait, so could you, could you use song stats to start. Scouting record labels to see like, okay, what record labels get the most support for newly released tracks and then correct. And then you can go, okay, this label looks really good. Let me go look at their Instagram or Facebook and see what they’re doing for marketing.

Okay. This correct. This pulls it all together. Then for the shit that I’ve talked about in the past where it’s like, do you self release or do you sign with a record label? And you’ve heard this from me a million times. Everyone who’s like. To my rate or to my podcast, has Lee has heard this a million times as well, a record labels there to take 70% because they’re funding your marketing.

They’re paying for a lot of that shit in the front end and they want their investment back. They should have the audience, they should be able to meet those, get that audience for you. Most of them don’t do that, which is why I think self releasing and learning a marketing plan on your own is even better.

Just takes it to the next level though, for artists to be able to then take that information that they know that if they know, okay, I need to find a good record label that has a good marketing plan. Use one, or use song stats to look at the data on their recent releases and see how well they’re doing and can compare that to compare that though, to like smaller artists, like, like look at the record labels that are signing a smaller artist to see.

Are they actually getting legit plays? Are they getting playlist? Are they, are they, is the record label doing what they need to do for their smaller artists? Because most of you listening to this are probably relatively smaller. Artists are probably not getting crazy playlist, probably not getting signed to crazy record labels, but want to, , this gives you good information to then, to then scout out labels.

Find the ones that are actually helping out smaller artists and try to sign to those later. Yeah. I mean, I mean, you know, mark, , Mark Woods and I we’ve done actually a couple of tracks together and, , we just, , we finished our last track in April and we’d been looking through record labels for the last two months, you know, working with my, my management group and just kind of every time a management group came back with a recommendation to go for, you know, I would go on song stats, I’d look at the, , the analytics.

And you only get a basic amount of analytics because they only allow the record label to see the full scale. But I mean, you see playlist reach, it’ll give you how many playlist they are on at this very moment with all their music. , how many followers that has collectively. So I was looking at one record label, , They had 18 million reach.

Now you can’t take that at face value. It’s not like they’re going to get played 18 million times. That’s just the scale of all their tracks on every player. So if you land one playlist with a million followers or a million, a million followers, you’ll get 1 million net. So it’s obviously correct. It’s it’s , it’s purely for scaling purposes, I guess you could say.

But it’s, it’s really impressive. And you could use it for artists that you’re looking to collaborate with. If you like, see someone they’re like, Hey, can we work on this together? You can look into their, you know, analytics and say, oh wow, you could do X, Y, Z. And say what the 1001 track list. Cause obviously you’re always trying to play up unless, unless you have like an idea that, wow, this could be really, really cool.

You know, that is so this, okay. This brings, I mean, first thing, anyone listening to this, download what downloads long stats on your phone, right? Fucking. And getting an account set up because good Lord having that information, especially if you just signed, I’m curious how many people are going to sign up today and be like, get a notification that they were supported by a huge artist that they had no fucking idea.

I guarantee there are a lot of stories out there like that for people who have yet to download songs, stats that they’re going to download it and realize, oh, I got supported months ago and they had no. Yeah. And the crazy thing is I advise everyone who has released music, , right now to look up your artist’s name on 1000 on one track.

Like I had been supported without knowing. And I mean, that was, that was a really cool experience. There were a couple of times, I mean, some radio shows will hit you with a, Hey, we’re not playing your track or, Hey, we’ve saved your track. We might play your track. And then there’s some who will say, Hey, we played your track.

, a big instance, our big person who does it as Don Diablo, his team, whatever he runs his hexagon radio show, they’ll say, Hey, we downloaded your track. And like, it played. You won’t know until it actually ends up on 1001 track lists. So this saves a lot of steps. Yeah. Awesome dude, dude, this is bad ass. I think that’s, I mean, I think we pretty much nailed it there.

Is there anything else you wanted to like hit on with 1001 track list or song stats? I just think it’s. It’s such, I can’t stop saying this because I mean, I really truly believe it, you know, going from not using it to using it, it changes the game. It changes everything. You know, there’s obviously palpable evidence that my music has been growing based on 1001 track lists.

I went from two supports to six supports, nine supports and so forth, you know? So it’s just a great tool to help you market your music and everything I’ve said, you know, earlier, especially regarding using the reference tracks and using the database itself, it’s just a great way to do things. And I can’t stress this enough either.

If you have a radio show, make sure your radio show gets track listed. I don’t care if you have to ask somebody, you know, who has the track listing capability who travels. If you want to get promo mail and you want record labels to, you know, send you new music for your deejaying or stuff like that. You just got a Christian.

I know you actually were the first person to give me a template for getting on promo lists. Yeah. Like emailing record labels to try to get on. Yeah. And I had been on a couple promo lists and you can stay for a little bit, but they need to see. Evidence that they’re getting something out of it. So track listing is the way to do it.

Yeah. You’re 100%. Right. And, and this is why it is, it is important. I think part of that template that I did have was like, Hey, I played this track. I was wondering if I get the track list. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. It is true though. A lot of record labels. If it, some of them before now, I’m sure it’s changed now with 1001 track list.

I’m sure most record labels are now looking up this data on there, but previously what it was was if you were on a, if you were on a promo. However their database is set up on the record label side. They can track all of the analytics of whether or not you opened an email that they sent you an email for a promo.

If they, you know, if they send you a promo email with a tracking it, they can track whether or not you open that email. If you click the link on that, or if you downloaded something from the email so they can physically see whether or not you’re actually, that’s how they could that, how they were originally tracking supports.

By whether or not you were downloading stuff and they would assume, okay, they’re probably going to be playing this. , now one of the better ways to then provide that information to them is I had this whole system set up when I had my radio show where I would use a, a program that I would basically my cause my radio show would actually be played, live in a.

At a, on an online radio show. So I was, I was playing it live and I would set up my Twitter account and I would schedule tweets for the minute attract would play. , I would, I would have it all broken down and I would tag the artist, the record label and all that shit. So it was like additional, like, I don’t know if record labels were actually checking that, but it was like still, I was providing some proof if I was playing a promo track, but now definitely.

With 1001 track lists. If you want promos and want to keep getting promos, they need to see that fucking support because if they don’t see that you’re supporting them or they don’t think you’re supporting the tracks, you’re freeloading music, they will remove you from the promo list I’ve been removed from.

I, the second I stopped doing my radio show, I stopped responding to promo. We made a lot of, a lot of those promo emails, too. They want you to like give a rating for the track. And review the track. So again, that’s also how they can kind of check to see if you’re actually utilizing the promo list and if you’re an active member on it.

So it, and when I stopped doing my radio show over probably six months to a year, I stopped getting promo emails because they re they saw, okay, he’s not downloading, he’s not opening. We’re going to remove him. They clean up shop. They remove emails from lists that they don’t want people to be. , so yeah, I like having that capability of actually uploading your track list, providing proof that you’re actually supporting a track that they’ve promo to use is very valuable.

Yeah. I mean, it really is like a, it’s a burden of proof. It just 1001 drag list is, has a really impactful role in the music industry for dance music right now. And I, if you don’t recognize that you have to get on board because it’s, it’s only going to benefit you. There’s no, there’s no net loss involved in getting involved 1001 track lists.

So like, it’s just, you, there’s only thing you can do is benefit. And it’s free. So I’m stats is a monthly subscription, but 1001 trial is free. What’s the cost for songs, dads. I think it’s $9 a month. That’s how much it’s for to get that, to get that in for if you’re trying to be fucking serious about this stuff, and you’re putting out music and you want serious.

Yeah. It might even be beneficial right now to just sign up for it and see right now, if anything’s happening and you can, I’m sure you can cancel it and then check again in a few months or whatever. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I, I’ve gone back and forth on, uh, there are times where if I’m not pitching or I’m not releasing, I’ll, I’ll get off the plan for a couple of months and then, and then get hopped back on when I’m ready to go again, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’m sure there’s tons of people that are doing that. Who just aren’t putting out crazy amounts of music. Awesome dude. Well, I think that that pretty much nails everything. , why don’t you plug your stuff? You know, let us know if you, if you have anything going on in terms of new releases coming up, if you have any releases right now, you want people to check out, but also where can they, where, where can they see you hear you all that stuff?

Well, first and foremost, that I definitely would like you guys to give me a follow on Instagram. I, uh, I do post the. Occasionally entertaining content at a Mike Vaughn DJ, but also, , I have a track coming out. I think it’s July 8th with a Andy snow on red ocean records. So make sure to check that out.

Goodbye. It’s a poppy like almost slap house track. I know I I’ve fallen to the lowest echelon of dance music, but. What are you going to do? I disagree. I love Slava. I love pot. I used to, Hey Bob, I love it now, but yeah, honestly we to, I it’s grown on me. I have another one coming on. It, it, it, it it’s, it starts to grow on you.

I feel like as you get, if you’re really into music, if you’re really into producing, you usually start off pretty low. Um, snobby. Yes. Pretty ignorant. In the more years you go through it, the more you respect songwriting. Yeah. You, you get like the process and you’re like, wow, the sound design, the simplicity.

It’s like, this is so fucking simple, but I don’t know how you make it that catching. So it’s like the pop music is so difficult to write because it’s so simple and it needs to always be. , and that’s why it’s very, a very respectful genre in my opinion, because it is insanely difficult to make something simple and catchy that you don’t get sick of and through the entire song it’s sketchy.

So, yeah. But awesome, dude. Yeah. I’ll, I’ll have all of your information in the show notes. So I’ll have the, you know, your Instagram. , well, I’ll probably update the page later on. Once that track is released that way, because people will probably be listening to this and a year. So yeah, I’ll definitely throw in my mixed cloud in there too.

Cute up. Mike Vaughn my radio show. If anybody ever wants to send promo my way, I run episodes every once in a while. So yeah, that’s a good way to get, get good way to get track lists. Yes. Yeah, you can get, you can get legit support from Mike Vaughn’s. that that will be listed on 1001 track list. So, sorry, dude, Mike, I appreciate it.

Thank you so much for hanging out and , , we’ll talk soon, man. Thanks for having me. Of course. Yeah. Yeah.